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Gypsio III Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 584	Posted - 2013.03.28 14:07:00 - [1] - Quote Michael Harari wrote: Also why do the talos and nado have so much more mass than the naga and oracle? To get the desired speeds and align times.
Gypsio III Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 584	Posted - 2013.03.28 14:11:00 - [2] - Quote Michael Harari wrote: Gypsio III wrote: Michael Harari wrote: Also why do the talos and nado have so much more mass than the naga and oracle? To get the desired speeds and align times. And why is it desirable that the ships used by small gangs get more mass than the mass nagas fielded by everyone? Why do you think that mass in itself is a meaningful statistic? Try looking at speeds and align times.
Gypsio III Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 584	Posted - 2013.03.28 14:30:00 - [3] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Gypsio III wrote: Michael Harari wrote: Gypsio III wrote: Michael Harari wrote: Also why do the talos and nado have so much more mass than the naga and oracle? To get the desired speeds and align times. And why is it desirable that the ships used by small gangs get more mass than the mass nagas fielded by everyone? Why do you think that mass in itself is a meaningful statistic? Try looking at speeds and align times. Do you realize that the most overpowered rig in eve history was the POlycarbon that used to do what? REDUCE mass!! MAss affects exponentially the gain of speed under MWD . I'm fully aware of the link between mass and speed under prop mod, although the relationship isn't exponential. That's why it doesn't make sense to look at mass in isolation. BTW, the most overpowered rig was the Propellant Injection Vent, which increased the speed bonus from MWDs and ABs. But the old polycarbons are firmly in second place.
Gypsio III Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 584	Posted - 2013.03.28 14:44:00 - [4] - Quote Michael Harari wrote: Bagehi wrote: Michael Harari wrote: Dysphonia Fera wrote: Is your argument that because people fly it, it needs nerfing? And that battlecruisers can kill cruisers? Well hot damn son, colour me shocked. Im saying people fly them because they are overpowered and take far more effort to deal with than to use. And bcs killing cruisers is fine. Killing them in seconds from 200k is not. If their scan res were reduced, it would give lighter fleets the opportunity to warp off when a sniper tier 3 BC fleets landed at range. Other than that, I don't see a big deal. Attack BCs sniping BSs and/or caps from long range looks like working as intended to me. So your proposed counter to a rail naga blob is "run"? Single T1 cruiser 200 km off a Naga gang? Yes, run like hell. Seriously, you appear to be arguing that a Naga shouldn't be able to hit a cruiser as it approaches from 200 km. Actually it probably can't if you'd bothered to bring the right tool for the job - TDs or RSDs.
Gypsio III Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 584	Posted - 2013.03.28 14:55:00 - [5] - Quote Michael Harari wrote: Gypsio III wrote: Seriously, you appear to be arguing that a Naga shouldn't be able to hit a cruiser as it approaches from 200 km. Actually it probably can't if you'd bothered to bring the right tool for the job - TDs or RSDs. A caracal cant damp or TD a naga from 100km Try fitting a sensor booster. Gives ~50% chance of a TD hit, or ~78% of a RSD hit, at 110 km. Your problem is that you're expecting to be able to survive unharmed at sniper range against snipers. The whole idea is just silly.
Gypsio III Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 590	Posted - 2013.03.30 10:56:00 - [6] - Quote Marian Devers wrote: I don't understand - right now it takes 7 bombers to kill a Attack BC Fleet. What is the point of increasing the signature radius? To make turrets and missiles track them more easily and hence apply more damage, emphasising the "glass" bit of the glass cannon idea.
Gypsio III Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 685	Posted - 2013.04.28 18:13:00 - [7] - Quote I'm struggling to see the value of attack BS while ABCs retain such a huge advantage in mobility.
Gypsio III Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork 696	Posted - 2013.05.03 07:42:00 - [8] - Quote Stop this interminable whining, Hagika.

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